Old Rectory or The Interview by Martyn Skinner. Wilton, Salisbury, Wiltshire: Michael Russell Ltd., 1984. 107 pages.
Luke, known as Old Rectory, took up the hermit’s life many years ago, even before the time of the pandemic that sprang from a virologist’s laboratory. Luke’s nickname refers to his residence near an abandoned church that he uses as a painter’s studio. The deadly Porton Sneeze killed most of the people then alive, and “progress” was held in abeyance. Now, though, English cities have revived, but, though empty houses may still be shunned for fear of the plague, hermits have settled in “Barns, disused churches, signal-boxes, sheds.”
The journalist Fossick, and his friends Ponder and Baytre, intend to record the seldom-seen painter-recluse, Old Rectory, for a series on such folk. The hermit psychically senses that they are coming. He gives them drink…
The recluse and his three visitors settle in at the rectory. The recluse talks for the tape machine (though he privately regards it as a “product of the second Fall of Man”). Then, having put the three visitors to sleep, he mentally summons two hermit-friends. They come and listen to the tape
Like 2021’s TV interviewers, the three visitors (at first at least) had hardly let Old Rectory open his mouth before they tumbled out their own ideas. Fossick’s notion of fantasy versus reality is, Rectory tells his hermit-friends, the opposite of his own. (I was reminded of Malcolm Muggeridge’s pungent late-life remarks about the pervasive unreality of journalism.)
But eventually Rectory was able to tell how, many years ago, he relocated from suburb to village – “A country lane was my Damascus Road.” The idyll soon proved false. It turned out that his neighbors were dull folk absorbed by gadgets and TV, and he was dismayed by their loose and noisy dogs that mobbed the roads. He moved again.
He found treasure on earth in the remote rectory where he settled. The simple life was beautiful. But his credo of love of nature proved to be defective on the score of vulnerability and inadequacy. As a solitary he was susceptible to erotic fantasies, and moreover he, so far, lacked an abiding sense of a personal God. He groped for a divine First Cause, for the Creator; though natural beauty enchanted him, it was not enough. He’d learned that there are similarities among the testimonies of mystics, though his quest would not stop there.
But at that point in the interview, though Rectory had not reached the nub of his argument, Fossick had suggested a halt. One of the other visitors, the inquisitive J. J. Ponder, wanted to probe the matter of sexual temptation further and the recorder stayed on a little longer.
Old Rectory gave the visitors more to drink and soon they fell asleep.
Having listened to the tape, hermit-friend Dirk Willett grants that Old Rectory laid a foundation, and the recluse says, “It’s our Christian plight; Before re-building we must clear the site.” Ralph Brompton Ralph, the other hermit visitor, thinks that Rectory may have been at his best when dealing with lesser matters – comparable to marginal manuscript illuminations that charm with decorative mermaids, gems, and peacocks but distract from Bethlehem and Calvary.
Rectory had hoped he could help the interviewers to consider “the verities Of death, redemption, and Apocalypse” and bear such truth into the world. But he realized they had no interest in metanoia. He now believes the three hermits themselves need to go forth, for the sake of a new world to be “grounded in redemptive grace.”
The three recluses, joined by their hermit-friend Malachi, visit Rectory’s studio in the abandoned church. Now we readers see what Rectory has been doing during these many years. His paintings include works derived from the masters—Breughel’s phantasmagoric Fall of the Rebel Angels, Piranesi’s Aqueduct of Nero with its image of the Cross as two intersecting, living branches growing above the ruins, and Rubens’s Adoration of the Kings.
Removed from a world enduring catastrophe, Rectory has followed what Charles Williams called the Way of the Affirmation of Images. The poem’s allusions and references remind us of great art and books – especially the Book; what a contrast with our present culture of forgetfulness, replacement, and obliteration. Skinner makes you want to read and view such things more gratefully.
The reveries of the four hermit-friends are interrupted by the clamor of the journalists demanding to be let in for more interviewing. It’s evident that they represent a great many survivors who have learned little or nothing from mankind’s disaster. The ailing Malachi volunteers to stay behind while the other three friends slip away. What the results of their mission will be, they entrust to God.
Skinner’s fluent long poem, combining blank verse and rhyme and language-play, was dedicated to his old friends Hugh Waterman and Bede Griffiths, the trio whose real-life “experiment in common life” is described so memorably in Griffiths’ The Golden String (1954). That was one of the first books with material about C. S. Lewis and the Inklings.
When I read Old Rectory’s praise of candlelight I was reminded of a passage in Griffiths’ book. Like Griffiths, Skinner was a friend of Lewis; Skinner and Griffiths were in the penumbra of the Inklings. I’m sure Lewis would have found Old Rectory to be delightful.
In 2018 I wrote about two earlier book-length poems by Skinner (1906-1993) here at Pilgrim in Narnia. These were The Return of Arthur and Sir Elfadore and Mabyna. You will find more about Martyn Skinner in those columns.
Dale Nelson is a columnist and reviewer for CSL: The Bulletin of the New York C. S. Lewis Society and Beyond Bree, a monthly Tolkienian newsletter. His work appears in fanzines such as Pierre Comtois’s Fungi, William Breiding’s Portable Storage, and Bob Jennings’s Fadeaway. He lives in rural North Dakota with his wife and four cats, and is a member of the local Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod congregation.
Note on Muggeridge
Skinner’s contemporary Malcolm Muggeridge (1903-1990) was a print and television journalist and editor. A notorious satirist during much of his career, he was often mocked for his late-life public embrace of Christian faith. Among his books is Christ and the Media.
“I don’t want to keep abreast of current affairs, and if I did want to, [television is] the last place in the world to look. What you keep abreast of is not current affairs but a fantasy called ‘ the consensus’ which is presented by various interests. The idea that people are better informed because of television is to me a most laughable thing. They’re better informed – but with lies! …the most essential thing for human beings is to have an awareness of their Maker, God, and to see their own lives in time in relation to God and in relation to eternity. …But in fact, partly through the media, this awareness of God has been enormously eroded and people think increasingly that man can live his life in purely mortal terms. That he can shape his own destiny. …the concepts of good and evil on which all law, all morality, and all transcendentalism are based have largely gone.” – Muggeridge in a 1974 interview published in the Berkeley Christian “underground paper” Right On! (May 1975).
In The End of Christendom (addresses given at the University of Waterloo in 1978), Muggeridge said, “A strange thing I have observed over many years in this business of news gathering and news presentation is that by some infallible process media people always manage to miss the most important thing. …In moments of humility, I realize that if I had been correspondent in the Holy Land at the time of our Lord’s ministry, I should almost certainly have spent my time knocking about with the entourage of Pontius Pilate, finding out what the Sanhedrin was up to, and lurking around Herod’s court with the hope of signing up Salome to write her memoirs exclusively. I regret that this is true.”
Muggeridge had firsthand experience of the alliance between journalism and fantasy in the early 1930s. As correspondent in Stalin’s USSR for the Manchester Guardian, he was the first reporter to break the story of the Holodomor, the state-engineered terror famine that killed millions in Ukraine. (Muggeridge’s reports were followed days afterwards by Gareth Jones, subject of a recent movie.) The famine story was soon suppressed. Instead, the infamous New York Times reporter Walter Duranty won the Pulitzer Prize for his (false) account of Russian affairs, denouncing reports of the famine, and, a few years later, defending Stalin’s show trials.
Muggeridge refers to Duranty here (about 7:30):
MALCOLM MUGGERIDGE: “Reflections on Stalin’s regime and THE HOLODOMOR” – YouTube
I wrote about Right On! in the fanzine Portable Storage #3 (the San Francisco Bay Area issue), pp. 82-87. PS is in no way a Christian publication; but the editor has been remarkably receptive to my work.
It is a question that has been nagging me for some time: Why is Tolkien Scholarship Stronger than Lewis Scholarship?
By this, I do not mean any particular insult to Lewis scholars. I am one, in fact. As I note in some of other writing in various places, we have critical Lewis work of significant note Colin Manlove, Charles Huttar, Gilbert Meilaender, Paul Ford, Marsha Daigle-Williamson, David Downing,
There are some truly terrible C.S. Lewis studies and popular books, too, though I don’t care to list them here. I’m sure these exist for J.R.R. Tolkien as well. However, I think it is more likely that novelists will write terrible Middle-earthish novels than popularizers bowdlerize Tolkien’s thought, popularize him beyond recognition, or otherwise measure him for peculiar procrustean beds.
Though I think the biographies between the two most popular Inklings are largely comparable, there is a rich current within the best of Tolkien studies that is remarkable. I simply have never encountered something in Lewis studies like
Go further: take a look at, say, the Palgrave Macmillan catalogue of Tolkien studies and compare it with any imprint with a Lewis catalogue and you can see the difference in scholarly quality of the field as a hold. Or look at the last 5 years of nominees for the Mythopoeic Awards for Inklings Scholarship. It is hard to compare, frankly.
1. Tolkien and Lewis Fandoms: The First Break in Tolkien Scholarship
Lewis and Tolkien’s fiction has different paths in both the public and in literary studies. As Stephanie Derrick relates in her 2018 reception study,
2. Tolkien and Lewis as Literary Scholars: The Second Break in Tolkien Scholarship
Lewis and Tolkien are each regarded as having made small-but-significant contributions in their respective field: Lewis in the literary history of the 16th and 17th centuries and Tolkien in Beowulf studies. In my reading of things, Tolkien’s work has had more critical engagement than scholars working with Lewis. Lewis’
3. Is this Literature? The Third Break in Tolkien Scholarship
In Strategies of Fantasy (1992), Brian Attebery has a chapter entitled “Is Fantasy Literature? Tolkien and the Theorists.” It is quite a question. In the next Part, I will discuss the question of genre, which partly answers this question–The Lord of the Rings is “literature” in a way that Narnia is not.
4. The Films: The Fourth Break in Tolkien Scholarship
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An intriguing, fun, and occasionally perverse part of being a scholar in areas where there is a lively fandom is that I am often asked to tell my “encounter” story. This can be a bit strange in that in the scholarly worlds of the authors I love:
C.S. Lewis as Essayist and Me the Writer
A Scholarly Community I Can Be Part Of
Finding the Books I Need
The Hard Part of Reading
Having Something to Say
Mind the Gap
There are weaknesses in my work and even in my choice of study. Shockingly, universities are not clamouring to hire a C.S. Lewis expert. However, I hope my experience can provide you with a resource to explore your own paths of curiosity, wonder, and discovery.


















